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Poster: gilamonster58 Date: Jan 23, 2008 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: In praise of '76

OK, I know all the arguments - St. Stephen too slow (as are High Time, FOTD and a few others), China>Riders and DS thin on the ground, too many LL>Supps, too many S&D's, suffers by comparison to '74 and '77, etc, etc,etc! - But as far as I am concerned, there's more experimental jamming going on than any other year. Just look at any random second set and count the <'s! Some of those second sets went for nearly two uninterrupted hours! So maybe they didn't always make the perfect three point landing but that happens when you fly by the seat of your pants! And as an added bonus, Donna Jean's vocals were amazing all year. Hardly a caterwaul to be found and she added so much to MNS, Scarlet, LLR and many many others.

OK, off my soapbox now.


This post was modified by gilamonster58 on 2008-01-23 15:49:56

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 22, 2008 6:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

High Time too slow? WHAT? 76 was the best year for that tune imo

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jan 22, 2008 5:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

gila,

speaking of Donna, I love this High Time -

http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-06-09.set2-sbd.gardner.5426.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jan 22, 2008 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Voila

GDP puts up, in vault quality, some of the tunes recommended in the 1976 thread from yesterday. should be a fun night of listening.

http://dead.net/features/tapers-section/january-21-january-27-2008

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Poster: gilamonster58 Date: Jan 22, 2008 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Voila

So have you changed your mind about grabbing full shows, D&M? One that didn't get mentioned (and only because I just heard it for the first time today) is Comes A Time>Jam>TOO Jam>Drums>TOO>Space>Eyes>Jam>GDTRFB Jam>TOO>GDTRFB from 7/17. OK, so CAT was mentioned but you really need to hear this whole suite.

(See what I mean about the >'s?)

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jan 22, 2008 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Voila

I know 7/17 pretty well gila58. great show!!

who knows, I might just drop this mini-project and go for the entire year.

I really appreciate all the info though!!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 22, 2008 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

Agreed. Another thing I love about '76 is the tenderness and fragility--in the songs chosen (Mission in the Rain!), Jerry's vocals, his guitar timbre, and his guitar style.

And in support of what you say about Donna's singing, I was struck a few weeks ago by the quality of her work in the New Year's show at the Cow Palace--possibly her finest hour. Check out for example the smooth and moving And We Bid You Goodnight at the end.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 23, 2008 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

For experimental jamming '68-69 is where it's at.

Personally I think the strength of '76 is to be found in the slower numbers (such as the "High Time"s mentioend by JOTS, as well as "Mission in the Rain", "Comes A Time", etc). The struggles seem to come with the more up-tempo stuff- a lot of times they seem stiff, almost lumbering- a long way from the turn-on-a-dime machine of '72-'74. This seems to be result of botht he layoff and trying to fold Mickey back into the sound.

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Poster: gilamonster58 Date: Jan 23, 2008 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

Now, I'm a huge fan of 68-69 and there's no question that the jamming was superhuman. However, when the band launched into Dark Star, if you guessed that it would be followed by SS>11>Lovelight, you'd be right more often than not. In '76, you never really knew where they were headed. Compared to '72-'74, the '76 Dead was a lot more likely to dig into their back catalogue (Cosmic Charlie, High Time, and St. Stephen for example). I'm not saying that one era is better than another, just different. '76 is just a really unique year - not a lot of new material, monster jams came in unexpected places, and Drums>Space had not assumed the position it would stay in for the next 19 years. I just don't think it gets the respect it deserves. I had 7/18 on tape for years and I called it my "rainy day" show. It was perfect for putting on when the weather was wet, sparking a bowl and letting the music take you away.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 23, 2008 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

1976 was about ARRANGEMENT and PRESENTATION. this was a time of reinvention. mickey was back and the band seemed to want to offer up a more refined concert experience. i love many shows from this year and think ST STEPHEN benefitted from the slow down and the overplayed NFA got new life this year as jerry started to really stretch out the solos, and long smoldering versions were offered... presaging the monster versions that would pop up in '77.

as others sort of alluded to, this was the year imo, when donna started to sound good, started figuring out where she fit in, or rather, the new presentation style came with a more defined role for her.

i belive this was the time period when JERRY HAD FALLEN UNDER THE SPELL of the eagles and loggins & messina. obviously, he stole the slowed down arrangement of FOTD from the latter and was impressed by the very slick PRODUCTION VALUES of the eagles.

i would disagree that this was a year for "EXPERIMENTAL JAMMING".... others have cited 68-69.... i might look to the Dark Stars, Other Ones, and Playin's of late 72 and 73. BTW, 0 Dark Stars were played this year, Other One 9 times, and Playin' 14.


HOWEVER, they did have plenty of new themes to keep them busy, the rambling Wake of the Flood pastoral Dead was gone, but the most "Experimental Composition" they would ever offer up, "Help on the Way>Slipknot" was in play, the amazingly slick "Music Never Stop" was now on the menu, "Samson & Delilah" was new, and the revamped powerhouse "Let it Grow" offered some newish jamming possibilities and of course, the also newly slickified, soon to be disco "Dancin'" was hothothot this year.

they only came back in june, so 76 is a bit of a footnote, but this is where the amazing momentum was generated that would carry them through the '78, if not, the rest of the GODCHAUX years....



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Poster: gilamonster58 Date: Jan 23, 2008 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

I don't think we really disagree. What I call "experimental jamming", you call exploring "new themes", which is probably a better description. I just found this a really interesting year overall. Of course Dark Star was a vehicle for experimental jamming but that's where you *expected* to find jamming. At the end of Comes A Time, not so much. I like surprises.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 23, 2008 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

" For experimental jamming '68-69 is where it's at. "

I think 72-74 is more experimental. Certainly the band was playing a lot more deeper and expansive. At least in my opinion. Not to take anything away from 68-69.

I agree about your assessment about the slower songs with a couple of exceptions - Let it Grow, Dancin, and Eyes were very turn on a dime numbers in 76, definately more than they were played in years prior. I think it must have been the whole disco and cocaine craze or something.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 23, 2008 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

"I think 72-74 is more experimental. Certainly the band was playing a lot more deeper and expansive"

Agreed about the 'deeper and expansive' part, but (to my ears) there are far fewer out-of-control freightrain moments than in '72-'74 (which is actually my favorite period on the whole).

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Jan 24, 2008 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

i dunno, man, 74 got the weird seastones and feedback shit.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2008 5:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In praise of '76

"Shit" being the operative word. Sorry, not a fan of "Seastones" at all- to me, it crosses the line between "experimental jamming" and "bullshit wanking off". Edited out of every tape I own from that year. I realize some people love it; that's just my take.

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